Last year I visited London and met with two retired merchant marine captains who were my class mates in 1962 at the Sir John Cass College for captains and mates. At the end of 2003 we had a reunion in London. Following our meeting I wrote an article which I called ‘Conversation in London’. I am not sure if I sent it to you.
After the terrorist attack on London that conversation takes on a new aspect, especially when one of the captains, John Collins, who openly sided with the Palestinians, sent me the following e-mail.

Perhaps I should call it Conversation in London number II.

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Hello Solly, It’s me again, captain John Collins.

I gave your last year’s statements some thought. You know me, after what you and Randolph told me, I did a very thorough study of the goals and aspirations of the extreme Islamist here in Britton. It was quite and eye opener. Yesterday’s brutal terrorist attack on London, confirmed what I have learned.
Still, It is one thing to see exploding buses and flying bodies on the telly that is happening in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem.
But quite another thing to see flying bodies on exploding buses here in London.
We British are fair minded people and always side with the underdog. We always assumed that the Palestinians are the underdogs and that is why we are on their side.

Now I realize that the Palestinians are an entirely different type of ‘dog’, certainly not an underdog.
They are only the tail of a rabid Islamic dog; a dog that bites in all directions, especially the hands of the Europeans who feed him. It is a poisonous dog who spreads his venom among the Moslem masses in Europe, including our country, and yesterday we paid the price for coddling and defending them. By their definition they are part and parcel of the great Arabic nation. The tail and the dog are one and the same, poisonous and dangerous.
Our prime minister Tony Blair again pronounced his mantra, blaming the situation on the Middle East, meaning Israel. After the Islamic attacks on numerous targets around the world, choosing their time and place, it should be obvious even to Tony that their agenda as nothing to do with the Middle East. Their long term goal is obviously sowing panic in the West in order to undermine its democracies.
The ever increasing numbers of Moslems in Europe and the declining European population is a guarantee of an eventual take over from the ‘crusaders’. It may take some time, but time is one thing they think they have. They are in no hurry.

What we need now is another Churchill to bring home to the terrorist of Islam the war that they are waging against the West.

What we have today are chamberlains in the government who never learn from history and believe that they can buy security from terror if they bow to terror. History shows us that it never worked and will never work.
There comes a time, as in World War Two, that you have to stand up and fight because the enemy’s goals are the distraction of the Western Civilization and the Judeo- Christian religion.
And let them not tell you, that they don’t know how to find them. YOU DON’T HAVE TO FIND THEM. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO CUT THEM OFF FROM THE MONEY FLOW THAT IS THE FUEL OF ALL THEIR TERRORIST ACTIVITIES!
Unless we force the Saudis and all the other sources of finances, weapons and man to stop supplying the terrorists, we shall experience ever increasing waves of terror.
It’s WAR fellows, and it is a war for our existence as a Western Civilization. So let’s stop being Chamberlains and become Churchills.!

Solly I never thought I would write that but, you opened my eyes to the facts.
I Hope that you will visit us soon in London again, or perhaps we should come to Israel where it seems safer now than London, as you know better how to handle terrorist.

Your friend,
John Collins

(Bellow is my article of last year to which John is referring. )

Solly Ganor

CONVERSATION IN LONDON
BY SOLLY GANOR

Somehow I always had a soft spot for the English. Even as a child in Lithuania I would read books by Charles Dickens and Sir Walter Scott and stories about the British navy. The valiant stand of the British against the onslaught of the Nazis only enhanced my admiration for them. During the three years we were in the Kovno ghetto the only news we trusted came from the BBC on a clandestine radio of the underground.
In the early sixties I spent three pleasant years studying at the University of London languages and doing my chief mates examinations for the merchant marine.
Therefore I was deeply dismayed by the British media’s slanderous reporting of the Israeli army’s actions against the Palestinians.
The BBC and the British press have been the most venomous of the European media in condemning Israel for its ‘’Brutal Suppression’ of the Palestinians in their ‘just’ rebellion against the Jews. The worst offender was our ‘old war time friend’, the BBC.

Anyone who has read Tom Segev’s ‘‘One Palestine Complete’,
Knows how brutal the British were in suppressing the Palestinian ‘Intifada’ against their administration in 1938. In comparison the Israeli army’s actions, were humane indeed.

Let me quote what the British Chief Secretary Battershill suggested:
Quote,
“ In 1936 the Arabs began their “Intifada” against the British administration. To suppress the rebellion the British Chief Secretary Battershill made the following suggestions:
‘I doubt whether any Arab has really any ethical feeling against murder and I am sure Arabs look upon murder as a justifiable weapon. We shall never get them to change their fundamental belief on this point. Our only way to deal with them is to make them see that it does not pay.” Unquote.
One of the ways to make them see, was to hang the caught terrorists, sometimes three a day.
So far we didn’t hang a single Palestinian no matter how much Jewish blood he had on his hands, and how many children he murdered.”

During the summer I was invited on a lecture tour in connection with the book I wrote, ‘Light One Candle.’
As part of my lecture tour I visited London where I met some old friends, who were captains of the British merchant marine.
There are times when we learn from the views of objective observers who have a better insight of our conflict than we do. Perhaps we are too close to the problem to see things that others do and we don’t. One such case was the conversation I had in London.



CONVERSATION IN LONDON
BY SOLLY GANOR

In the early sixties I enrolled at Sir John Cass College for captains and mates in London. It was considered an excellent school for officers and I was glad they accepted me for the course.
After Israel’s War of Independence in 1948, I served as a seaman and later as a second officer with the Israeli merchant marine and the course at Sir John Cass College was to advance me to the rank of chief mate and eventually to captain.
Most of the officer who participated in the course where young men from middle and upper class families, considered by the British as ‘good officer’ material.
The officers considered me an “odd bird”, as I was a Jew who came from Israel, and not too many Jews served in the British merchant marine. But all in all they were quite friendly and very sympathetic towards Israel, which was considered the ‘Underdog’ at the time.
Most of them later became captains serving with the British merchant marine. I made quite a few friends among the officers. One of them, Randolph Smith, was my studying mate. After we passed our examination I went back to Israel and in the beginning we would correspond, and even meet when I happened to be in London, but as the years passed we drifted apart.
In September of last year, I was visiting London and ran into Randolph Smith. He was now a retired captain and lived quite comfortably on his pension at his family estate. He still retained his boyish looks and wavy hair, which with the years turned white.
He wore an expensive suit, fancy boots and had an aura of wealth about him that only the British know how to display without being overly ostentatious.
He was very glad to see me and invited me for a drink to a very chick new hotel full of palm trees and overstuffed armchairs.
At nearby tables sat several Arabs in traditional garb drinking tea and reading Arabic newspapers.
When he saw my looks, he laughed: “ You don’t have to worry about them. They are rich Saudis with suitcases full of money, probably paying a thousand pounds a night for a room in this hotel. Hardly terrorist material.”
I wondered about that.

After ordering drinks and sandwiches, which came to fifty pounds he said:
“ Remember John Collins? He is coming to join us.”
John Collins was with us on the same course back then. I remembered him as a rather introverted religious man.
Randolph told me a little of what he did since we saw each other last, and I was surprised to learn that after retiring from the merchant marine, he made his doctorate in political science. He had hoped to start a new career as a diplomat, but it didn’t work out.
After a while John Collins showed up.
He had aged rather more than Randolph and walked with a slight stoop.
We shook hands warmly and settled down to reminisce about the old days at school, and ended up telling sailor’s jokes.
“ I say, do you still live in that God forsaken Middle East? You seem to be treating those poor Palestinians quite shabbily,” John Collins said after we ordered a second round of drinks.

I was a little surprised by the shift of topic and his sudden change
of tone. I remembered how John was staunchly pro Israel in the days when we studied together and I asked him what happened to change his mind.
‘All fair-minded people in this country think that your army behaves abominably against the Palestinian civilian population. Tanks and helicopters against kids with slings and rocks.
You can’t deny that, can you?’
‘Where do you get your information from?’ I asked while Randolph was trying to change the subject.
‘Our news papers and television reports are full of what you are doing to the Palestinians, and far as I know, our news papers and the media were always fair and neutral in reporting news.’

‘Well, they are not fair and neutral anymore as far as Jews and Israel is concerned. They are giving you a totally distorted picture of what is really happening. By now you should be aware that it is they, the Arabs, who always start the wars against us, and the present war was no exception. When you start a war you have to suffer consequences.
By the way, the same Palestinians you are so concerned about, have towards the end of the thirties waged an ‘Intifada’ against the British Mandate. Would you like to know how your soldiers treated your ‘poor Palestinians’?
“The British army always acted in a civilized manner, no matter what you say.” John said in a proud voice.

‘Did they now? Let me relate to you how many Palestinians they hanged every day, and how they mistreated the civilian population. In comparison, the Israeli army is a very humane army indeed.
So far we didn’t hang a single Palestinian no matter how much Jewish blood he had on his hands, and how many children he murdered.
Let me quote to you some of what the British officials wrote about the Palestinians and what they did to punish them.

In the late thirties the Arabs staged a revolt against the British authorities, killing officials and attacking British soldiers. The British Chief Secretary Battershill had this to say about the Arab revolt at the time:
In 1936 the Arabs began their “Intifada” against the British administration. To suppress the rebellion the British Chief Secretary Battershill made the following suggestions:


‘I doubt whether any Arab has really any ethical feeling against murder and I am sure Arabs look upon murder as a justifiable weapon. We shall never get them to change their fundamental belief on this point. Our only way to deal with them is to make them see that it does not pay.”
And how do you think the British achieved that goal?
To start with they condemned over a hundred Palestinians to death and hung them without mercy.
On one occasion the British hung three Arabs the same day.
Northern District Commissioner Alec Seath Kirkbridge was complaining that he had to view three bodies lying on slabs with purple faces.
Young boys were often sentenced to lashings, some of them seven years old.
During the uprising the British demolished two thousand houses in Jaffa, Jennin and Nablus.
Some times whole villages were driven from their houses and placed in open fields. The British doctor Elliot Forester wrote in his diary, that on May 1939, in the village of Halhoul, near Hebron
The Arabs were put in open pens, one for men and one for women. They were kept there for days without food and water. After two days the allowed the women to return home, but the men were retained.
After that action more than twenty people were lying dead on the fields.
And the hue and the cry about the security fence we are building to keep out the murderers of our children, let me tell you that you, the British, built such a fence in Palestine way before us.
Soon after the rebellion began, the British sent a terrorism expert by the name of Charles Tegart.
Charles Tegart had a security fence erected along the northern border to prevent the infiltration of terrorists. He built dozens of police fortresses around the country that are standing there to this day and are known as Tegart fortresses. He also imported Doberman dogs from South Africa and established an interrogation center in Jerusalem to train interrogators in torture.
It is recorded that suspects underwent brutal questioning, involving humiliation, beating, and the Turkish practice of hitting prisoners on the soles of their feet and genitals.

“If you would like to know more of how the British quelled the Arab rebellion, against the Arabs, I gathered that information from a book called ‘One Palestine Complete’ by Tom Segev, who made a thorough historical investigation on the subject. Besides all the information is available from British official documents.
‘Of course, the British claimed that it was self defense, that they were simply defending themselves against the Arab terrorists, who were out to murder our soldiers and officials.’

So before you accuse us of mistreating the poor Palestinians, you should examine what the British did under similar circumstances.
But that is not quite true. You were not subjected to brutal suicide bombers who blew up your civilian population, especially targeting young people and children.

Yes, I can state in all fairness that in comparison to the British, the Israeli army is humane indeed.”
After I finished my long speech I calmly drank my single malt whisky and ate the thinly sliced cucumber sandwich.

John looked at me in astonishment, while Randolph smiled.
“ I say, you don’t really believe all the rubbish you told us about the way the British treated the Palestinians?
Randolph, I remember you told me that your uncle served as an officer in the Palestine police. Didn’t he speak about what happened there?”
Randolph laughed.
“ Sure he did, and the things that Solly just told us was just a small part of what we did to stop the rebellion. What my uncle thought of the Arabs could fill a dictionary of foul words.
I think that what the Chief Secretary Battershill had to say about the Arabs was very accurate and if you Israelis would follow his advise, you wouldn’t be in the predicament that you are in now.
As part of my course for my doctorate, I studied very closely the Middle East.
The problem with you Jews is that you trying to please the world that is basically anti-Semitic.
Whether you are right or wrong doesn’t really matter; no matter what you will do, you will always be wrong. I followed the story of the battle in Jennin, where you practically sacrificed many good soldiers to appease world’s opinion and what did you get? The world accusing you of a massacre that never took place. On the contrary you sacrificed so many good man to prove that you are being fair.
Ironically, the Americans almost at the same time, bombed the hell out of villages in Afghanistan killing all the inhabitants, who were suspected Talliban supporters. They didn’t even bother to defend their actions.
It took months for the prejudiced UN to admit that there was no massacre in Jenin and the Arabs simply lied, as they usually do, to serve their cause.
You know and we all know that the media focuses on the struggle between you and the Palestinians out of all proportions to the rest of the world’s news. Unless, there are dozens of Israeli civilians, women and children flying through the air by some suicide bomber, you are always presented as the bad guys.
Let us for one moment assume that Israel does not exist and that king Abdullah is the ruler of the whole region. Now let us further assume that the Palestinians stage an ‘Intifada’ against the king.
What the king would do we know from the past when his daddy, King Hussein, killed thousands of Palestinians and chased Arafat and his lot out to Lebanon.
The Palestinians mark that day as the black September.
And how the media reacted we also know. They hardly mentioned it, and if they did, they were sympathetic to king Hussein.
Now imagine that the Jews ruled Jordan and massacred the Palestinians the way king Hussein did what would have been the world’s reaction? These two scenarios show you how prejudiced the media and the world is against the Jews.
So why don’t you just do what you have to do to survive there, because you will be damned if you do and will be damned if you don’t, so just do what has to be done. Remember the words of the
British Chief Secretary Battershill :
‘I doubt whether any Arab has really any ethical feeling against murder and I am sure Arabs look upon murder as a justifiable weapon. We shall never get them to change their fundamental belief on this point. Our only way to deal with them is to make them see that it does not pay.”
Follow his advice and you can’t go wrong. For a while there will be an outcry against Israel, but soon they will forget about it, as they usually do, and the Arabs will only respect you, because the only thing they respect is force.”
For a while we sat in silence sipping our drinks. Then John Collins said: “You know, Randolph, I never heard you give such an elaborate speech about the Jews and the Arabs. I guess there are many things I simply had no idea about. You watch the telly and read your paper and they form your opinion for you. But in a way I am disappointed because as a religious man I somehow expected that the people who gave us a Jesus and the bible, would act differently.”
“ Well John, perhaps after two thousand years of turning the other cheek, the Jews got tired of it.” Randolph said ordering another whisky.
We drank in silence and after a while said good bye to each other.
John Collins left first. Randolph smiled as he shook my hand.

“Anybody who bothers to learn the facts, unless he is an anti-Semite, would be on your side. It’s the ignorant ones that you have to persuade. You know there is an old Roman saying that applies to you Jews: “Que licet Jovi, non licet bovi.”
‘What is allowed to the Gods, is not allowed to the oxen”.
Algerian Islamic fanatics can kill a hundred and fifty thousand of their own Moslem brothers, and no one gives a damn.
Millions of Africans die in wars against each other and who is to blame? And so on, and so one. But if a few Palestinian terrorists are killed in action against the Jews, the world media immediately goes into action denouncing Israel.”
On the way to the hotel I thought about what Randolph said. He actually gave me some useful insights for my next conversations in Europe.

Herzelia Pituach ,Israel.
January 5, 2004

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